What is a relationship with a narcissist really like?
If you’re an empathetic person, it can make you feel crazy: You doubt yourself constantly. You’re always second-guessing. Your boundaries and sense of self are slowly broken down by emotional manipulation and gaslighting.
Whether you’re still feeling the wounds from a past narcissistic relationship, or are trying to figure out if you’re in a relationship with a narcissist right now, today’s video is your next step. I walk you through the 7 signs you’re dating a narcissist, and show you how to spot these traits faster in your next relationship.
MATTHEW HUSSEY
What are the signs that you are with, are dating, or have fallen for, or been married to a narcissist?
There are certain types of people in this world that will never make sense to the rest of us. Those are the narcissists. And I don’t mean that word in the kind of generic way that it gets thrown around a lot these days, where anyone seems to be able to be construed a narcissist based on one or two things that they’ve done. I am talking about someone who truly fits the bill. And you know one, if you have been with one because they don’t just tick the box on one count, they tick the box in almost every diagnosable criteria of a narcissist.
If you have been with one in the past, I think this is going to be a very cathartic and healing video. It’s going to help a lot of people feel a lot more sane. If you are with one right now, it’s going to help instruct how much information you have about the person you are with. If you have just come out of a situation like this and you’re still in the devastation of it, I think it’s going to help you understand a lot about what’s just happened to you.
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All right, let’s do this.
Number one, they can be great sometimes.
Despite all of your suffering, despite all of the ways that they cause you pain, all of the betrayals, all of the ways that they invalidate your feelings or gaslight you, one evening, they come home and they’re amazing. They’re kind. They’re sweet. They have great conversations with you. They’re playful, they are loving. They are everything that you always hope that they would be. And when this happens, it’s so maddening, because we think “This is it. They are capable of being this. It’s not that they’re never capable of being what I want. They are being exactly what I always want, right now.” And we then start playing the game of, “If I can just keep this going, this is the relationship I always wanted with this person.”
What we have to remember is that a narcissist might actually come across as a delightful person once all their needs have been met. That’s not always the case, but for some, if all of their needs have been met, if they have their supply, as it’s known. If they feel validated and adored and there’s nothing they want for, then they might see you in the evening, they might see you at some point, and be wonderful to be around. But what you’re really experiencing is them being great because every box is being ticked for them right now. The danger is who they are when they’re trying to get their needs met.
I like to think about it like a broken watch. A broken watch is right twice a day. It’s wrong most of the time, but for two brief moments a day, a broken clock is correct. Don’t mistake a relationship that works a couple of moments a day, a week, or a month, with a working relationship, you have every right to be loved, considered, and seen in every other minute of the day too.
Number two, your empathy for them gets you worse treatment, not better treatment.
The very quality that can make us so special, our empathy, our compassion with people, our ability to truly see behind what’s going on with the person, or to understand, to see them at their core, not to just blame or judge on the surface, can actually be the thing that gets weaponized against us.
Think about in a relationship like this how often you end up forgiving someone, or empathy is often the horse that forgiveness rides in on. Right? Empathy is the thing that ushers in forgiveness. When we understand someone. When we know their story. When we are able to see the hardships that they’ve endured in their life, the things that they’ve been through, that maybe it feels like uniquely predisposed them to this bad behavior, to treating us this way. It breeds a kind of sympathy, maybe even a kind of pity. “They’ve had it hard. They’ve been through a lot, they can’t help themselves.” And that empathy is what allows us to keep forgiving someone, to keep making allowances for their terrible behavior in the present.
And of course, when we finally say enough is enough, that person will often shame us. Shame the part of us that wants to feel compassionate by saying, “How could you? How could you leave me? How could you judge me? How could you not forgive me? You know me. You know what I’ve been through. You, of all people I thought would understand.” In those moments, their story, and all of the reasons that we should see them as sympathetic can get weaponized against us using our empathy, which is something we pride ourselves on. So we have to be extremely careful of that.
But the real insidious part of this is that one would think that the person who lives on this island with the narcissist who gives them the most sacrifice, the most compassion, the most empathy, would be the person that they treat the best. Sadly, the person living on that island with them is usually the person they treat the worst.
For a narcissist, our empathy isn’t seen as some beautiful quality that signifies our value. Our empathy is seen as their ticket to doing whatever they want. It is seen as their perpetual Get Out of Jail Free card anytime they want to get their needs met in any disrespectful or terrible way, and they know at the end of any terrible behavior they can always rely on and—because of their entitlement—expect forgiveness.
Number three, they are able to move on impossibly quickly after something terrible they have done to hurt someone they love, which may mean you.
I want you to think about the things that this person has done to hurt you. And as a thought experiment, I want you to now imagine that you had done any of those things to them. That you had caused that kind of hurt to someone you love. How long would it take you to move on from that? You, not them. How long would it take you to move on from that? How hard would it be? How much work would it take for you to forgive yourself, for you to let go of any shame that you felt? Any guilt that you felt at having done that? Any anxiety that you felt at having been what you might think of as a bad person. How long would it take you? How hard would it be for you to move on from that? Then consider how easy it was for them to move on from that.
Many narcissists will never apologize and expect you to move on. But even the ones that can apologize will often expect that once the apology has been issued, the situation is over. And if you continue to have any feelings about the betrayal that you’ve been through, the pain they’ve put you through, the hurt they’ve caused, they will start to become incredibly impatient or even angry at the fact that you are still making a big deal out of it. “Why are we still talking about this? I thought it was over.” Their response is devoid of compassion.
And by the way, that doesn’t mean that they won’t grovel in the beginning or perform grandiose gestures in order to win back your good graces, in order to prevent from losing you. They’re only doing that in order to get back to the status quo so that they can get back to getting their needs met. So that they can get their supply again.
They’re not doing it because they fundamentally feel bad, because what they have done has gone against some fundamental moral compass that they have that they now are finding it challenging to reconcile or forgive themselves for. What they want is for you to move on as quickly as possible, because they moved on the moment they did it. In fact, for them, there was nothing to move on from.
By the way, never let someone else’s ease of moving on gaslight you into believing that what they did wasn’t so bad after all in a situation like this. Their ease of moving on has nothing to do with the scale of what they did. It has everything to do with the absence of empathy and compassion that they feel when they do bad things.
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Back to the video.
The fourth sign that you’re with a narcissist. When caught red-handed, they will make excuses that are almost unbelievable. Which, by the way, we might still believe.
You might have clear as-day proof that someone is cheating on you. “I literally found the messages on your phone,” and they will say something like, “What are you doing on my phone?” And come to think of it, “That’s my private life, and has nothing to do with you.” Inside you’re thinking, “But we’re in a relationship.” Before you know it, you are on a different planet to the one you thought you were on, having to defend yourself for not being a good partner to this person who, three minutes ago, you found out was cheating on you.
You ever heard the law Occam’s Razor? Occam’s Razor is essentially the idea that the simplest explanation is the most likely one. “I found evidence of you cheating. That’s the most likely thing that has happened, is that you have cheated.” What they are telling you is the complete opposite of Occam’s Razor. It is the most complex, ridiculous, insane version of events that somehow leads to them being innocent or being the victim. And, ideally, you being the perpetrator. Though you just found that part out.
It’s almost like the excuses version of Murphy’s Law. David, what’s Murphy’s Law is kind of anything that can go wrong will go wrong, right? Or anything that can happen will happen. In this case it’s any excuse that can be made will be made, and even the ones that you think couldn’t be made will be made. Remember, if the excuse sounds wild, then it’s more likely an indicator of the person you are dealing with than just how fantastical the reality really is.
You didn’t think I’d be able to fit Occam’s Razor and Murphy’s Law into one point? Did you?
If they’re deeply uncomfortable with the contents of this video, they’re a narcissist. And that, my friends, is Matthew’s Law.
The fifth sign you’re with a narcissist, even when you are at your worst, in a moment when you are sinking and you think they wouldn’t let you drown. They do.
This, I think, is one of the most earth-shattering, reality-bending realizations that people come to when dealing with true narcissism. They may have seen bad behavior over time. They may have seen it consistently, reliably, predictably. But, there’s something in the back of their mind that tells them, “Yes, but if I was truly in trouble if I was really on my worst day, this person would be there for me. Of course they would. We’ve been together all this time. We have history. I’ve sacrificed so much for them. I’ve always been there for them. We are lovers. We love each other. At the end of the day, we are like this. Despite all of the chaos on the surface and all of the friction in our relationship and all of the challenges we’ve had, at the end of the day, we are there for each other.”
And in a sense, it may feel like we never truly put that to the ultimate test, until something dreadful happens in our life, until something goes truly wrong. It might be a point of financial devastation. It might be at the point of a health diagnosis. It might be a time when your life falls apart in some very real way with your family or your mental health. You believe that in that moment when the chips are down, they’ll throw you a life raft, they’ll be there for you. And in that moment, you watch as you’re going underwater, and they’re not there. They stand by, either with indifference or with excuses.
In short, you cannot know the extent to which a person like this will abandon you in the key moments until those devastating moments actually happen. And for a lot of people, that moment is a moment of true realization. It’s almost for a lot of people, a moment that they can never go back from. They will never forget that in that moment when they were drowning, the other person did not save them. And you can’t unknow that.
It’s almost like we can’t bring ourselves to believe that we’re in a relationship or married to an alien. And some people are watching this, and it applies for them with a family member or a parent. But it’s hard to believe that this person that you have been wed to in one way or another, is actually an alien to you who does not operate by the same set of laws in life.
So we still identify with them, and we say “No, no. When it really goes wrong, they’ll behave like I would behave.” And that’s the mistake. Is that right up until total devastation, we still believe that they will behave like us, but they will never behave like us because they don’t operate according to the same set of laws.
By the way, don’t ever shame yourself for feeling like a fool when it comes to this. It is one of the most mind-blowing, reality-shattering realizations that you will have about a person, and long after it’s happened, you can still fail to understand how the hell that person was happy to let you drown.
Don’t shame yourself for finding it hard to wrap your head around that reality. The fact that you can’t really wrap your head around that reality is a sign of who you are and your character and just how different you are from them.
Sign number six, they show emotion, but their emotion doesn’t come from the same place as our emotion comes from.
So it’s very tempting when we threaten to leave someone to see their tears, to see them cry, to see them get upset. And to think, “Oh, they do have the same emotional register as me. Look, I keep talking about them like they’re this cold, calculated, unemotional narcissist. But, look how much pain they’re feeling right now. Look how many tears they’re shedding. Maybe they are like me after all.”
Now it’s not that their tears aren’t real, it’s not that their tears are an act. That’s just another falsehood. Their tears may well be real, but their tears aren’t for you. Their tears are for them. They are feeling a loss, and that is what they’re upset about.
In other words, when someone hurts you and they risk losing you, they’re not hurting because you’re hurting. They’re hurting because they’re hurting, and their pain is the most important thing in the world to them. So they are capable of feeling immense pain, but we mustn’t mistake it as having the underlying foundation that our pain has.
When we feel pain, it’s often from a place of having caused someone else pain. Our pain is our guilt, our pain is our self-loathing. Our pain is our self-admonishment that we could have done something like that to someone. Their pain is that whatever has happened has cost them something. And that’s where their sadness or their hurt is coming from. Don’t confuse tears that are over you for tears that are for you.
The seventh sign that you are with or have been with a narcissist, is how quickly and seemingly easily they can discard you once it’s over.
It is another shocking realization. I feel like every narcissistic relationship is sort of a series of shocking realizations to wrap your head around. And, in many ways, the final shocking realization that people have is that this person that they thought once they finally left the narcissist, or once they finally stopped giving in to them, would continue to hurt, or would in some way, continue to do the right thing afterwards, or continue some strand of connection, how easily that person severs all connection with you. How they can seemingly just move on, as if you never existed. And any communication with them from that point is tantamount to an inconvenience to them. Unless it still represents some kind of supply. Right?
If the narcissists can continue to get supply from you, in some way, then there may still be some passing interest. In other words, if they can still get validation from you, adoration from you, if they can still get their needs met in some way, then maybe they’ll hang on to that connection. But the moment you refuse to be their supply anymore, which means having boundaries, having standards for yourself, going forward, the moment you are no longer supply they discard you as if you never existed.
And for people who have so much history with someone, in many cases, have built a life with someone, or been raised by someone, or raised someone the idea that that person could just cut them off and move on to another life at lightning speed is the most disorienting, bewildering thing. But that’s exactly the experience so many people have when it comes to narcissism.
This can have the effect of being almost this kind of “exit gaslighting” that happens on the way out. This feeling that this situation that has gaslit us all along, on one level or another, this is like the final gaslighting. Is that “I made the whole thing up. I thought we were soulmates. I thought we were this couple that looked out for each other. I thought we had a marriage that meant something at the end of the day, after years or decades of being together. And, seemingly, it counted for nothing. It is like it was all just a hallucination of my own.”
Whatever they thought of the relationship, or how different it was in their mind to how it was in yours, your love was real. The relationship may not have been in the way that you thought, but the way you loved, and the ability you had to love them, your feelings for them, were real. And the beautiful thing is you can now take all of that that you still have, because it’s yours, no one can take that from you, and you can point it in a direction that deserves it this time around. And I don’t care how late in the day, you have told yourself it is for you in life. I don’t care what season you are in, it is never too late, while you are still breathing, to take all of that love that you have and to point it in a direction where it will do good and blossom into something beautiful for you and for somebody else.
If you enjoyed this video, leave me a comment, let me know what it meant to you. The feedback on these videos means a lot to me and helps me direct future videos. It also is encouraging to me to know that people are out there and that you heard it and that it made a difference to you.
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I’ll see you next week. Be well, my friends, and love life.
Thanks for publishing that video Matthew. It is a powerful document of what I experienced with a covert narcissist six years ago. I haven’t been in a relationship since.
Thank you, I really needed to hear the details on these signs, I knew he was a narcissist but I began doubting he was that bad. It’s only been two months since I stopped his ‘supply’ after 21 years, but I doing alright and loving my new calm life. You comments on ‘it’s never too late, despite what season you are in’ really made me cry, but with gratitude and now some hope. Thank you.
I was married to a narcissist for over thirty years. It was hell in many ways. You’re correct in the fact that they do not check a few boxes, but check them all. Control and their needs are all they are concerned with. No amount of tears, understanding, or love will stop them from their agenda. There is life outside of those relationships and healing. I am in a good place emotionally and Matthew has been one of my helpers. Please get out of the relationship and start really living.
I have just finished reading your book Love Life. It is the best book I have ever read on relationship advice and knowledge. I was married to a narcissist and caught on shortly after the I do. The narcissist counts on the crazymaking keeping us confused. When we share our experiences with others, in a kind and gentle way, they see it for what it is. Keep on giving this advice as it will help millions of people, as I have already passed on the book to a coworker. Once you have been in these relationships, it all becomes clear to you. You and Audrey are amazing, and your stories of life do not go unnoticed. Have a blessed day and keep up the amazing work that you do to help others. Enjoy and long and amazing married life, of mutual respect. Sincerely, Phyllis
Hi Matthew, the far reaching effects of a partner’s narcissism can be discovered over time, after the relationship has ended. I’m 8 1/2 years out and new effects have started cropping up. The gaslighting is by far the worst for me, though. It leaves you VERY unsure of yourself and your memory of events, until you remember that if they are speaking, they are lying, at least in my husband’s case.
Thank you for your gentle insight into this new epidemic in our society.
Thank you Matthew you have just opened my eyes, that I have been seeing a narcissistic for 5 years.
Wow. Mathew!
I woke up to this email today and thought that I didn’t need to hear any more about a Narcissistic.
But I listened on and was agreeing with a BIG nod at the first of seven.
They all continued to ring a bell with me!
A little about me:
I was married 35 years, cheated on 15 and have been divorced 10 now.
Up until the very last day at a second mediation, he denied everything.
He finally admitted it, cried and I gave him a lot of forgiveness. I now realize they were tears for himself- because of the money! (You nailed that!)
Today, I still struggle with the pain,
regret lost years and believe I have moved on in a life alone. Yet, I sometimes think I never really will. That I will carry this flag, at the age of 68, forever.
That’s why I signed up for your messages @ a year ago. I was feeling that I needed more help. But time was not my own until recently.
It’s been a difficult year, with a move from the same city to a larger house for my art career and closer to my grandchildren. It isn’t far enough from the reminders of his infidelity and his new partner.
Recreating a whole new home, art studio and juggling life has consumed my time.
With this dark cloud always reminding me of my past…
It’s feels impossible to move on
when I am constantly reminded of the pain because there are children between us and I was not able to move to France. Or Greece. (Or the Moon) Yep, starting over in another world seemed the only way out for me.
I tried on-line dating. Oh my, I could write a book about the losers, liars and leftovers I invested time into.
Currently, I’ve become an Ambassador to the San Diego Zoo.
It ‘ticks the box’ (your phrase!) for getting out socially, learning a lot about a passion of mine and never ceases to amaze me.
Looking for love seems out of site.
Needing to take better care of myself, I’ve shelved that for now.
I have so much to be grateful for and I truly am. Yet your comment about finding the right person to point all of my love towards- really rang the loudest bell.
It’s a new day, today. Thank you for this message I woke up to and reading this long message. There’s a novel in here maybe, one to help others someday, but my expertise is expressed with a paintbrush.
I just wish that the person I am now could help that younger me who drummed up the courage to ask for a divorce. It was out of the blue for him, but I had come to the end of my rope. Decided to jump, not knowing where I’d land.
It was easy for me to react to this message from you today. Not sure what step to take next because it’s not easy.
I’m looking toward to hearing your
‘Bold Standards’ going forward.
You’re a hero to me and I just wanted to end with that.
Thank you Matthew.
Cherry Sweig
(Not sure why to include my website- but here it is.)
Hey Matthew
Thank you for sharing this because it’s a very lonely place dealing with a narcissist- & holding a sense of shame and embarrassment for feeling trapped in it stops you from asking for help especially when they are this other version to different people so it can sound untrue. Grateful
Hi Matthew and team. Thank you! Thank you! I am really grateful for this information and releaved. So, I am not crazy, and the NPD is a serious mental condition not just for the narcissist (because his soul is forever burried under his own pedestal of grandiosity), but especially for the people that fall in love with them.
To all the details you mentioned I would add “the life threatening sensation” and a worning sign, especially for those dealing with a sadistic narcissist. They can play the manipulation game like we can never immagine. And I wouldn’t believe it if it wouldn’t have happened to me. Imagine a woman in love, carresing her man durring the most intimate moments … suddenly being grabbed and pulled into the shower… a towel over her head… him watching her strugle and unable to breathe, unable to say stop due to the lack of air, thinking she is going to die. 3-5 minutes, then, him just kissing her, resuring her that all is “fine”, and basically acting as it was an act of normality. Then continue to have sex, saying that she is so special and he didn’t had the trust to do this with enyone else… In the similar, different intimate moments he would put a plastic bag over the head and leave just enough air to see the strugle but not ‘allowing’ me to die (“only twice” because he saw I was really traumatised and stopped), he would beat me ‘with the same love’ (2 broken ribs, red eye, cracked eardrum…) then he would ask why am I crying when I should be proud because he trusts me with this secret, and he is not going to other women (which he was.. ).
They hurt your body, destroy your soul, play with your mind like in a horror movie. I come from a good family, I have a management position in a multynational company, he is a respected public fugure… no one would belive I could endure this nor that he is an absolute demon at home.
I left.. again, but I expect him to come for me with false future promises, then threaths. This time I have my family on my side and You.
Thank you for taking about NPD and letting the world know they are a serious threat and they should Run at the first sign of narcisism (NPD).
With love,
Gabriela.
I just watched your video and I must say: This is the first time I hear someone summarize my experiences and thoughts so accurately which made me feel so seen and heard. The way you think about these situations relates to my way of thinking, it even made me a little emotional at some parts. Thank you!
Thank you for your video. I survived a 21 yr marriage to a sociopathic Covert Narcissist. I was going to literally die from the amount of stress he put me through. There wasn’t barely an autoimmune disease I didn’t have. I can’t tell you what it took for me to get out, but I am now restoring my health and recovered from the abuse. It didn’t seem like that was a possibility at the time. They want to ruin you forever. The best thing the survivor can do is to go no contact 100%, go thru recovery, be happy and move on. That is the only way to succeed after you have been through this living hell. There is no other way out. When you met the Narc, you were at the top, and the only way back, is to be better now after the abuse, then you were when you met them. It’s all possible. I wish I had this information 26 yrs ago. Thanks for helping people recognize the behavior of a Narcissist.
Love your videos
After I ended my 21 year marriage with a narcissist, I read many articles, watched many videos, sought counseling, and spent countless hours working on myself trying to understand how I didn’t realize what was happening. Matthew, this video and the way you have gone into depth on how a narcissist thinks/operates/”feels”, is spot on. I can say that I have done a tremendous amount of work on myself and am feeling the healing that comes with it. As an empath, I now know how to set boundaries, how to say no, how to walk away if needed, and how to also see the person or situation as it truly IS, not how I WANT it to be or envision it to be. I thank you for all of your videos and emails as you have helped me tremendously! I am soon to be 66 years old and I can honestly say that I am looking forward to meeting that special person that will treat me and want to be with me as much as I do. No… I am not 100% yet, but no one is, at least, not all of the time. Thank you, thank you, thank you from the bottom of my heart!
7 traits of a narcissist….
Matthew, this presentation about
Narcicissists. Is perfect. You speak eloquently about everything!
I’m working at the job you recommended of getting out of love
with a narc.! The betrayal. The phony love bombing, the mood swings, flirting w/other women under my nose. Etc, etc. every rotten character trait is true!!! You nail it all. It’s a mental health sickness. They are despicable and can’t help it!!
You are brilliant. You and Audrey are the couple of the year, always exemplary and lovely. I’m older but look much younger, thankfully. So, I’m still looking for a special guy.
Was married!!! You did a great, great job on this video. Even if narcs watch it, they won’t change, but good they hear they are not good.
Absolutely amazing really helpful on my many years off being with someone I thought truly loved me the way I loved them
But they didn’t
Your r video given me lots of understanding n to forgive myself
amazing video thank you
Thank you for this. You nailed it.
I agree with what you said about them not being there for you when you really need them and are traumatised.
Thank you for this video Matthew, I was married to a narcissist for 18 years and sadly recognise all 7 signs. As an empathetic person with a tendency to become a bit anxiously attached I still seem to attract this type of man like a magnet! But luckily these days I am spotting the warning signs early on and repelling them quickly.
Thank you for your wise and valuable advice as always.
Well interesting to see that my mate doesn’t tick off all the boxes and thank you for this video. I think one of these days I should attend one of your workshops because it would be great to get perspective on my guy.
Wow. I went for a hospital appointment today and I was nervous in the waiting room, feeling very anxious and panicked. I messaged the guy I’m dating asking for him to tell me something nice to distract me, and he just laughed and told me he didn’t have any stories. Then he didn’t even check how I got on.